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How much do you know about Groups?

Let’s start with the basics and get a bit more complex.

1. The enable/suspend groups button should always be visible. If the button looks like the image below, then groups are enabled. Otherwise they are suspended.

2. It’s a good idea to have shortcuts for enable/suspend groups, group, and ungroup. This is what I use:

command+G: group
option+G: enable/suspend groups
command+option+G: ungroup

3. When groups are enabled, you move the group as one unit. When groups are suspended, you can move individual elements within the group while maintaining the existence of the group. Ungroup means the elements remain, but the group is gone.

4. If groups are enabled and you group 2 (or more) existing groups (lets call them A & B), the subgroups remain within the larger group (lets call this C). What that means is that if you ever upgroup the new group (C), groups (A) and (B) will remain. However if groups are suspended, all groups are suspended, not just the outer most group. This means to move group (A) in relation to group (B) you either have to ungroup group (C) or suspend groups and move the elements individually. It would be awesome to suspend group (C), but keep groups (A) and (B) enabled. But there are more important things in life. Note, if you make group (C) from groups (A) and (B) with groups suspended, the subgroups will be lost.

5. If groups are enabled and you move/rotate/copy/mirror a group, all the elements are effected, even ones on hidden layers. If some of elements are locked and groups are enabled, the entire group can still be moved, rotated, etc. If you have groups where not all the elements are visible at all times, make sure you know when groups are enabled/suspended (see point 1). Otherwise you will be angry and annoyed.

6. Groups can span multiple stories. You can’t group 3D objects in section/elevation, but you can group them in 3D. So if you group elements from the 3D window, you can have a group that contains a wall on the first story, a slab on the second story, a column on the third story, etc. If groups are enabled and you move part of the group on one story, the rest of the group on the other stories moves as well. In version 14 (maybe earlier versions as well), when you move/rotate/etc. the group in plan you will see the ghost of the grouped elements from the other stories as well.

7. If you group 2D and 3D elements in plan, then group multiple 2D/3D groups in the 3D window, you will be able to have 2D elements within the multi-story group. If you then suspend groups, delete all the 3D elements (in plan, section, elevation, or 3D window), and then enable groups again you will end up with a multi-story group containing only 2D elements. Try it.

Proceed to Groups Part 2

Comments

  • April 25, 2011
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    Excellent tips. It’s these little things that can make life so much easier when modelling and drafting.

  • April 25, 2011
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    Erika Epstein

    Great summary.
    Groups is one of the most powerful of Archicad’s selection options.

  • April 25, 2011
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    lec

    Nice tutorial.
    Thanks
    lec

  • April 26, 2011
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    Jared –
    Thanks for an interesting post. I wasn’t aware that you could group things in the 3D window, and that by doing so, groups can span multiple stories. I’m always glad to learn something new!
    Eric Bobrow

  • April 26, 2011
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    Chad Conrad

    Jared –

    Great tips. Keep them coming. I love to learn new things about this amazing software.

  • April 27, 2011
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    Dave Olufs

    I thought you were talking about user groups and wasn’t particularly interested.

    I use groups extensively but didn’t know about 3d and over stories…

    One thing I like with other Apps is editing groups in a separate window because it is uncluttered, easy and you see exactly what’s included and it’s hierarchy. And in the main screen I can still group or ungroup.

  • April 27, 2011
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    Thanks Jared. I learn something new about AC every day and I still don’t know enough.

  • May 2, 2011
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    One thing to keep mind is about modules:

    Modules (hotlinked stories) can not be grouped and “suspend groups” must be off while working (draging etc.) with modules.

  • April 14, 2014
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    Jason Smith

    Hi Jared

    Groups bread and butter, use them all the time. I tried the other day to group in a section (V17) still can’t do it. Bummer. I don’t understand how you can do it in the 3D Window but not in the Section window?????

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